I disagree Ė I think having Belgian origin has become a quick and easy consumer label, like driving a German car. Itís too easy to look like an educated consumer if you can say ďI like Belgian beerĒ when youíve only had Stella and the occasional glass of Delerium Tremens. Belgian is a status symbol Ė itís not even a beer descriptor. What the hell does American beer taste like?
So... you're saying that, because a bunch of boneheads like Stella and don't understand that it is hardly representative of good beer made in Belgium, all
beer from Belgium is worthless?
And that, because of this - Toronado isn't a good beer bar?
That's your argument?
"Emeril is a total hack and makes generic food pushing the whole 'Cajun' label. Most people just want charred fish with a layer of burnt cayenne because of this. As a result, there is no good food in Louisiana and only poseurs like food in Louisiana."
As far as customer drive goes, I think we have a higher ratio of beer appreciators in Portland than in SF.
No doubt about it.
Much higher poser ratio in the Toronado, from my experience.
So the faux-brit, dart league, make my coffee dry-hopped folks don't qualify as poseurs?
To be honest, I think both bars have stunningly low poseur counts given their locales.
Itís a great bar, I just donít buy the Belgian = Better argument. Like another opinion in this thread, however, I think Toronado skimps on variety.
Belgian does not equal better.
But neither does PNW craft brewed.
And neither does IPA.
Last time I was at Toronado, I would guess that less than 1/3 of the list was from Belgium (of a range of styles) and at least that much was west coast craft brewed beer (again, of a range of styles).
Finally... if you think that a list of, say, 40 beers from Belgium could not provide variety... you haven't had enough beers from Belgium!!